business leaders are begging for corporate tax reform. to have tax reform being part of a debt deal, all of these things will help get the economy on course faster than it is now. >> listen, it seems to me this is the absolute crux, isn't it? this sort of paralysis we've seen in washington, the very silly behavior that many would see, as we've witnessed in the last two years. this has to come to an end. i'm quite disturbed really, when margaret says john boehner is not going to get in a room and get stuff done. that's what gingrich and clinton did. they both told me that. they learned the hard way when government came to a grinding halt. and that's when they got in a room together. i would like to see the speaker and the president get in a room. i think they've been equally to blame in many ways for this impasse between them in the last four years. i don't want to see them do it the official way. you have a democratic senate, a republican congress, i don't see how stuff gets done. >> the 1996 re-election of bill clinton basically settled